As an aside last week we discussed the proper way to use commas and conjunctions. Fred Michaelson was firmly in the "A, B, and C" camp, while I was from the "A, B and C" school.
In my corner Don Kolman writes:
I have to agree with you regarding commas and conjunctions. I was taught 60 years ago that a comma is not necessary when a conjunction is used. A, B and C is correct to me and I would have to have a English PhD tell me otherwise.
Bill Eckberg writes:
FWIW, I learned it the same way you did, and that's the way I write it.
On the other hand, Dave Schenkman writes:
I laughed when I read Fred's comments regarding serial commas. While I don’t cringe when I see them, I’ve always done it using two commas. My guide in such matters is The Chicago Manual of Style, and it says, “In a series consisting of three or more elements, the elements are separated by commas. When a conjunction joins the last two elements in a series, a comma is used before the conjunction. One of the examples given seems appropriate: “We have a choice of copper, silver, or gold.”
Stephen P. Woodland agrees. He writes:
As the editor of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association’s electronic bulletin, NumisNotes, I am in Mr. Fred Michaelson’s corner on the use of the serial comma. I follow the conventions of the Chicago Manual of Style, 16th ed., and it is clear on the issue. Here is the relevant article for everyone’s edification:
6.18 Serial commas
Items in a series are normally separated by commas. When a conjunction joins the last two elements in a series of three or more, a comma—known as the serial or series comma or the Oxford comma—should appear before the conjunction. Chicago strongly recommends this widely practiced usage, blessed by Fowler and other authorities, since it prevents ambiguity. If the last element consists of a pair joined by and, the pair should still be preceded by a serial comma and the first and (see the last two examples below).
She took a photograph of her parents, the president, and the vice president.
Before heading out the door, she took note of the typical outlines of sweet gum, ginkgo, and elm leaves.
I want no ifs, ands, or buts.
Paul put the kettle on, Don fetched the teapot, and I made tea.
Their wartime rations included cabbage, turnips, and bread and butter.
John was singing, Jean was playing guitar, and Alan was running errands and furnishing food.
However, I acknowledge every editor’s privilege to “interpret” the rules.
Maybe me, Don and Bill are just Old School. But the Manual of Style
came out in 1906, so maybe our teachers didn't get the memo.
But so far the votes are even at 3-3. By extrapolation, than means about half of E-Sylum readers are likely idiots. I’m not sure which camp I’m in, but if you can’t decide who’s the patsy in a poker game, it’s probably you.
What do you people expect from a free publication, anyway? I guess I was comma-tose. While old habits are hard to break, I'll at least quit taking commas out of people's submissions - they just might be right.
To read the earlier E-Sylum article, see:
NOTES FROM E-SYLUM READERS: DECEMBER 15, 2013 : Still More Collective Terms in Numismatics
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